Second Life Bar Association Meeting
March 8, 2008

Transcript

[9:57]  Solomon Cortes:  Hello everyone

[9:58]  Solomon Cortes:  Hi Cat, Hi Alexei

[9:58]  Alexei Skjellerup: I can see you're busy right now. Maybe we'll be able to talk later. Bye...

[9:58]  Jessica Holyoke: in case I missed you, good morning

[9:58]  Geri Kuhn: It hasn't started yet

[9:59]  Aeleen Tomsen: hello solomon

[9:59]  Geri Kuhn: about to

[9:59]  Alexei Skjellerup: Hi, solomon!

[9:59]  Legal Republic: Hi Lexis

[9:59]  Solomon Cortes:  Hi Aeleen. Thanks for coming. Nice to see you.

[9:59]  Aeleen Tomsen: ty :)

[9:59]  Ashcroft Burnham: Hello Solomon, Aeleen :-)

[9:59]  Lexis Looming: I don't think we have met but you know may law partner CallYo

[9:59]  Aeleen Tomsen: hello ash

[9:59]  Ashcroft Burnham: How are you?

[10:00]  Aeleen Tomsen: fine thank you :)

[10:00]  Ashcroft Burnham: Hmm, my agenda has gone missing :-(

[10:00]  Alexei Skjellerup: Mine too...

[10:00]  Henri DeCuir: It's available on the board at: http://www.slba.info/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1204486843/0#0

[10:01]  Ashcroft Burnham: Thank you, Henri :-)

[10:01]  Solomon Cortes:  Hi everyone. Thanks for coming today. Shall we begin?

[10:01]  Lexis Looming: Thank Henri

[10:02]  Dreamingen Writer is Online

[10:02]  Solomon Cortes:  First, this is just to remind you that these proceedings are public and that we keep a transcript, which will be posted on the SLBA forums on the web.

[10:03]  Alexei Skjellerup wonders where Ben is...

[10:03]  Kit Meredith is Online

[10:03]  Cat Galileo: Good morning

[10:03]  Cat Galileo: I'm Cat Galileo, one of the ex. board members

[10:03]  Cat Galileo: Benjamin Noble, founder and president emeritus, can't be here today

[10:03]  Cat Galileo: he asked me to read some comments for him

[10:03]  Cat Galileo: Benjamin Noble: I very much wanted to be here today to help everyone welcome Solomon as the new SLBA president. Unfortunately, I am on an airplane right now on my way to a conference in Arizona, and there's just no way I can log in.

[10:04]  Alexei Skjellerup nods...

[10:04]  Cat Galileo: Benjamin Noble: My thanks, again, to all members for making the first year of the SLBA so successful. I intend to remain involved in my capaticity as the organization's founder and a former president, but I step to the back of the stage today without trepediation.

[10:04]  Cat Galileo: Benjamin Noble: I know that I could not be turning the organization over to a more capable leader, and I am very much looking forward to seeing what happens over the next year.

[10:04]  Cat Galileo: Benjamin Noble: From conversations I've had with many members, I know you all join me in thanking Solomon for stepping up, and that you share my confidence in his abilities and leadership. With that, I'll turn the virtual floor over to your new President, Solomon Cortes.

[10:05]  Alexei Skjellerup claps

[10:05]  Cat Galileo: Before we do turn the floor over, however, the ex. board would like to make a brief presentation

[10:05]  Cat Galileo: Solomon, in appreciation for your willingness to serve, and in hopes that it may be of use, we have a little gift

[10:05]  Geri Kuhn gave you Text for plaque.

[10:06]  Cat Galileo gave you Honorary Gavel.

[10:06]  Cat Galileo: please enjoy this honorary gavel

[10:06]  Cat Galileo: and with that, I will turn over the floor . Thank you

[10:06]  Spokesman Salomon: Thank you Quillen.

[10:06]  Ashcroft Burnham: :-D

[10:06]  Quillen McClure: YVW

[10:06]  Jessica Holyoke claps for Solomon

[10:06]  Alexei Skjellerup claps

[10:07]  Lexis Looming claps

[10:07]  Solomon Cortes:  Everyone, thank you so much for coming today, and many thanks indeed to Cat and Ben for their very kind words.

[10:08]  Solomon Cortes:  It's an honour to have the opportunity to lead the SLBA and I will work hard to follow ben's excellent lead.

[10:08]  Solomon Cortes:  I must say that I am looking forward tremendously to the year ahead and working with the exec board and each of you.

[10:09]  Solomon Cortes:  We already have some great initiatives planned (and I hope that more will be proposed and implemented by all of us during the coming months.

[10:10]  Monday Beam shakes Mr. Writer's hand.

[10:10]  Solomon Cortes:  But before I turn to the day's business, I would like once again to put on record our deep and genuine thanks to Ben - for creating and making the SLBA the premier in-world legal association. We're looking forward seeing Ben at future meetings and being able to thank him again in person.

[10:10]  Dreamingen Writer shakes back... nice to see you..

[10:11]  Ashcroft Burnham: :-D

[10:11]  Cat Galileo: Yay!

[10:11]  Solomon Cortes:  So, if I may, I would like to move to item 1 of the agenda. I hope everyone has a copy of the agenda, by the way - it's available in the SLBA Group notices if you don't

[10:12]  Solomon Cortes:  Timing of SLBA meetings.

[10:12]  Solomon Cortes:  The Exec board and I thought it would be good to get a regular slot in everyone's diaries for the coming year.

[10:13]  Solomon Cortes:  We appreciate that this may mean that some people will already have commitments on the proposed dates, but we felt it more likely that if we proposed and agreed dates now at the beginning of the year, the greatest number of people would be likely to be able to attend our meetings in the future.

[10:14]  Solomon Cortes:  To that end, we would like to propose that going forwards, this meeting is held at the same time, 10am SLT, every second Saturday of the month.

[10:14]  Ashcroft Burnham: That's good for me :-)

[10:14]  Alexei Skjellerup nods approvingly.

[10:14]  Henri DeCuir: Motion to vote on the proposal.

[10:14]  Aeleen Tomsen: good

[10:14]  Lexis Looming: second

[10:15]  Alexei Skjellerup: Second

[10:16]  Solomon Cortes:  Great - then unless there is anyone with a major and material objection to the proposal, we'll confirm that this is now the selected date for future meetings through to end 2008.

[10:16]  Solomon Cortes:  Good - every second Saturday it is. Thank you everyone.

[10:16]  Alexei Skjellerup: Excellent...

[10:17]  Solomon Cortes:  Now for item 2. The Returning Officer role.

[10:17]  Alexei Skjellerup: ((at least for we europeans...))

[10:17]  Solomon Cortes:  Just as a brief background, I was always struck by Ben's grasp of procedural correctness when I attended meetings during his tenure.

[10:18]  Bennet Dynamo is Offline

[10:19]  Solomon Cortes:  I am also keen to ensure that we operate to the same levels of procedural propriety going forwards, and that when it is time for elections for the exec board and president for next year, that we run these effectively and in accordance with the SLBA's byelaws and other procedural requirements.

[10:20]  Solomon Cortes:  So in short, I'd like to propose that we ask Ben, as immediate Past president, to take on the role of "Returning Officer" to help us as an organization meet the highest standards of conduct in-world, just as we all do in RL.

[10:20]  Solomon Cortes:  I'd be keen to hear everyone's thoughts.

[10:20]  Erica Dalglish: I'm all for that, if Ben is available

[10:20]  Juris Amat: What does being a returning officer entail?

[10:21]  Alexei Skjellerup: We'll need a brief description, yes...

[10:21]  Lexis Looming: I would think the immediate past president should always be on the board the following year

[10:21]  Alexei Skjellerup: And so Ben will...

[10:21]  Ashcroft Burnham: I'm sure that Ben will do a fine job :-)

[10:21]  Juris Amat: What are the duties of a returning officer?

[10:21]  Alexei Skjellerup: That's a common practice, yes.

[10:22]  Lexis Looming: And Ben is a special case who should have aplace on the board as long as he wants it in IMHO

[10:22]  Caliandris Pendragon is Offline

[10:22]  Henri DeCuir: Solomon, would you mind telling us what the role entails?

[10:22]  Juris Amat: a returning office is a board member?

[10:22]  Alexei Skjellerup: I think maybe it will be a good idea to leave this subject for next meeting, if Ben attends.

[10:23]  Juris Amat: hello?

[10:23]  Solomon Cortes:  As a brief intrlude - I have located the very fine Gavel Cat that you so kindly gave me on behalf of Ben and the SLBA - thank you very much!

[10:23]  Alexei Skjellerup: ((excuse my grammar, I'm terrible...))

[10:23]  Solomon Cortes:  I will put it away now and learn how to use it before the next meeting!

[10:23]  Erica Dalglish: I think it would not be a bad idea to find out if Ben would take the position if offered

[10:23]  Legal Writer is Online

[10:24]  Solomon Cortes:  Let me answer Juris first, and then Erica.

[10:24]  Henri DeCuir: Solomon, would you mind telling us what this role entails? We only have a title to discuss at the moment.

[10:24]  Juris Amat: Thank you

[10:24]  Solomon Cortes:  Juris, the role of a Returning Officer is generally to supervise the proper running of an organizations elections 0 making sure everything happens on time, and in accordance with due process.

[10:25]  Iorek Rasmuson is Online

[10:25]  Solomon Cortes:  I have a slightly broader remit in mind, which includes also helping us to ensure that our meetings and other activities are all held in compliance with our byelaws and other procedures.

[10:25]  Alexei Skjellerup: He'll be chairing the meetings, then.

[10:26]  Henri DeCuir: Is this a role that would apply to all former presidents? A default position?

[10:26]  Solomon Cortes:  I am not sure if the term "Returning Officer" is very UK English? If so, I'd be very happy to propose a different title if that would be more recognisable to the group in general.

[10:26]  Juris Amat: Does he know that he's being nominates

[10:26]  Juris Amat: nominated

[10:26]  Alexei Skjellerup: Probably not, that's why we should adjourn this issue...

[10:26]  Erica Dalglish: it sounds more like a parliamentarian - make sure the meetings are run by the rules

[10:26]  Alexei Skjellerup: In my opinion...

[10:26]  Kit Meredith: I've seen President Emeritus used before

[10:27]  Alexei Skjellerup: The speaker of the Commons? Hehehe...

[10:27]  Henri DeCuir: I think Juris' question is right on, too. What I'm getting at with my questions is that we will be requring presidents to increase their term by 1 year (totaling 2.5 years?), and obviously Ben will feel obligated to accept this role, even if he would prefer to just stand in the shadows and advise when asked.

[10:27]  Cat Galileo: he does know that Solomon proposes this and he has been receptive

[10:27]  Solomon Cortes:  Yes, I proposed this to Ben and have discussed with the exec board. ben had confirmed that if the SLBA would like to ask him to take on this role, he'd be happy to do so. So it is very much up to this meeting.

[10:27]  Cat Galileo gave you Gavel (VC).

[10:27]  Kit Meredith: Or, just "Past President" is nice and matter-of-fact

[10:28]  Alexei Skjellerup: I understand. Then question is which role to propose him...

[10:28]  Juris Amat: ok, so what do we need to do to make this happen?

[10:28]  Cat Galileo: are we talking about making this a permanent bylaw change or just a one-time appointment (for now) of Ben?

[10:28]  Lexis Looming: Are we going to vote just for Ben to have this role or all future past presidents, as well?

[10:29]  Cat Galileo: I suggest that we nto make it permanent unless it's phrased as a voluntary service... as henri says that's a long commitment

[10:29]  Henri DeCuir nods.

[10:29]  Alexei Skjellerup: Indeed...

[10:30]  Kit Meredith: I'd propose to make it a position for all future past presidents, it's important to maintain institutional knowledge - and yes make it voluntary

[10:30]  Erica Dalglish: making Ben past president for life might be more than he signed on for

[10:30]  Lexis Looming agrees

[10:30]  Cat Galileo: if ben wants to do it, well, I'm all for conscripting him :D

[10:30]  Kit Meredith laughs

[10:31]  Alexei Skjellerup: Let's define the post, then. Specific role and mandate?

[10:31]  Lexis Looming: That will teach him not to miss a meeting

[10:31]  Henri DeCuir grins at Lexis.

[10:31]  Juris Amat: I agree with Cat, I think that it should be voluntary but I am for taking advantage of Bens offer to volunteer

[10:31]  Alexei Skjellerup laughs

[10:31]  Henri DeCuir: I was just thinking that. Hey Ben, while you were at, we decided you'll be doing the following jobs:

[10:31]  Henri DeCuir: *out

[10:31]  Solomon Cortes:  My proposal isnot to create a new osition on the exec board - justthat we look to Ben as the immediate Past President to play a role in helping ensure we meet the procedural standards we require of ourselves. I see it as a role he would be eminently capable of fulfilling. Whether we continue this role next year, and whether the role should stay with Ben or move to the next Past President (which would be me in 2009) is not something I thought we should determine now: I see this as just a 12 month role for Ben - we can decide next year if we want the role taken up again, and if so by whom.

[10:32]  Henri DeCuir: Ok. Well, if Ben wants it...

[10:32]  Cat Galileo: solomon, of course, anything we write into the bylaws, you're stuck with :D

[10:32]  Alexei Skjellerup: Keep it informal, then...

[10:32]  Erica Dalglish: will this require a motion from the floor? if so, I move we ask Ben to assume thse dtiesas immediate past president

[10:33]  Henri DeCuir: then I move for vote on whether we should create a one-time position of Returning Officer and appoint Benjamin Noble to that position.

[10:33]  navets Potato: I second

[10:33]  Solomon Cortes:  Thanks Henri.

[10:33]  Lexis Looming: I am in favor of making this a one time thing. If it works out well we can amend the by-laws later

[10:33]  Solomon Cortes:  Thanks everyone, and agreed.

[10:34]  Solomon Cortes:  If there are no further comments, I'd like to move to item 3.

[10:34]  Henri DeCuir: Well, wait a second.

[10:34]  Henri DeCuir: There's a motion on the floor to vote. Perhaps we should?

[10:34]  Solomon Cortes:  Henri - please go ahead.

[10:34]  Lexis Looming: Seems we need our parlimentarian already lol

[10:35]  Solomon Cortes:  Sure. Maybe Henri, you should be Ben's deputy ; )

[10:35]  Henri DeCuir: No, I'm really horrible at Robert's Rules, actually.

[10:35]  Alexei Skjellerup: Item 1 was never voted...

[10:35]  Henri DeCuir: But this seems like something we should vote on.

[10:35]  Cat Galileo: Henri moved to vote on whether we should create a one-time position. Navets seconded

[10:35]  Erica Dalglish: i think a vote is necessary to make sure we know what we've agreed to

[10:35]  Alexei Skjellerup: And register ayes, noes and abstains...

[10:35]  Solomon Cortes:  Then can al those in favour please say aye.

[10:36]  navets Potato: aye

[10:36]  Henri DeCuir: aye

[10:36]  Cat Galileo: aye

[10:36]  Rykk Ferraris: aye

[10:36]  Lexis Looming: aye

[10:36]  Alexei Skjellerup: Ayes

[10:36]  Geri Kuhn: Aye

[10:36]  Erica Dalglish: aye

[10:36]  Aeleen Tomsen: aye

[10:36]  Legal Writer: Aye

[10:36]  Jessica Holyoke: aye

[10:36]  Juris Amat: aye

[10:36]  Ashcroft Burnham: Aye

[10:36]  Solomon Cortes:  And all those against please say 'no'

[10:36]  Mitch Hifeng: aye

[10:37]  Legal Republic: aye

[10:37]  Solomon Cortes:  And all those abstaining, please also say so.

[10:37]  Ashcroft Burnham: "Aye" but "no"? Surely it's "aye" or "nay", or "yes" or "no".

[10:37]  Juris Amat: lol

[10:37]  Alexei Skjellerup: Ups...

[10:37]  Alexei Skjellerup: My fault...

[10:37]  Solomon Cortes:  That's why we need Ben!!!!

[10:37]  Mitch Hifeng: Point of order: Do we need to amend the bylaws first then vote for position

[10:37]  Mitch Hifeng: is it something that requires the bylaws?

[10:38]  Ashcroft Burnham: LOL!

[10:38]  navets Potato: let snot amend the bylaws for now - just keep it informal

[10:38]  Alexei Skjellerup nods

[10:38]  Cat Galileo: agreed

[10:38]  Lexis Looming agrees

[10:38]  Ashcroft Burnham: Do we need to amend the bylaws to require the correct verbalisations to be used for voting? ;-)

[10:38]  Henri DeCuir: Yeah. That's probably technically accurate, Mitch, but I think we're trying to avoid such permanancy.

[10:38]  navets Potato: lol

[10:38]  Henri DeCuir: Be nice, Ashcroft. ;)

[10:38]  Alexei Skjellerup laughs

[10:38]  Ashcroft Burnham resolves in favour of a bylaw requiring me to be nice.

[10:39]  Ashcroft Burnham: *him

[10:39]  Henri DeCuir tries not to laugh.

[10:39]  Cat Galileo: I think we can accept volunteers under the current bylaws

[10:39]  Juris Amat: lol

[10:39]  Solomon Cortes:  Well, I count 21 people here (it was a quick count, so please correct me if anyone gets a different number. If that's right, or even close to it, the motion is carried.

[10:39]  Erica Dalglish: how about draftees? lol

[10:40]  Solomon Cortes:  Henri has kindly offered to help us by creating a voting tool, which should make this a quicker and more effective process in future (and make Ben's new job easier!). Thanks Henri.

[10:41]  Lexis Looming nods to Henri

[10:41]  navets Potato: What other business is there?

[10:41]  Solomon Cortes:  It was also kindly pointed out that we didn't actually have a vote on item 1. So, fo form's sake, can we do that now - if someone could propse and second haing our regular meetings on each second Saturday of the month, and then can we please have ayes, nays and abstains. Thanks!

[10:41]  Lexis Looming: so moved

[10:41]  Ashcroft Burnham: Aye :-)

[10:41]  navets Potato: aye

[10:41]  Alexei Skjellerup: Aye!

[10:41]  Mitch Hifeng: aye

[10:41]  Quillen McClure: aye

[10:42]  Lexis Looming: aye

[10:42]  Juris Amat: aye

[10:42]  Erica Dalglish: ae

[10:42]  Legal Writer: aye

[10:42]  Ashcroft Burnham: (Are we voting on the thing itself, or wheher to have a vote?)

[10:42]  Lincoln Beck: aye

[10:42]  Rykk Ferraris: aye

[10:42]  Legal Republic: was this seconded?

[10:42]  Henri DeCuir: aye

[10:42]  Aeleen Tomsen: aye

[10:42]  Henri DeCuir: it was seconded earlier, yes.

[10:42]  Henri DeCuir: I believe by Lexis.

[10:42]  navets Potato: it was seconded and it is on the thng itself

[10:42]  Legal Republic: ok aye

[10:42]  Alexei Skjellerup laughs

[10:42]  Juris Amat: :-)

[10:42]  Alexei Skjellerup: I did seconded item 1...

[10:42]  Ashcroft Burnham: It might even have been thirded, but I lose track :-)

[10:42]  Solomon Cortes:  Thanks everyone. The Ayes have it. Motion carried.

[10:42]  Erica Dalglish: we lready accepted it without objection, so I'm mot entirely sure a vote is necessary

[10:43]  Solomon Cortes:  Item 3 - credentialling.

[10:43]  Lexis Looming: Yaay

[10:43]  Lexis Looming: 2 down we are sailing now

[10:44]  Solomon Cortes:  At a previous meeting, we voted in favour of credentialling. Lexis has kindly helped prepare a draft application form.

[10:44]  Kit Meredith is Offline

[10:44]  Solomon Cortes:  He received some comments on the forums around whether we should be providing this service, but this is something we already voted in favour of. Personally, I am also keen that we take this forwards.

[10:45]  Spokesman Salomon: Y

[10:45]  Solomon Cortes:  Lexis also reminded those who commented that the service is a voluntary one - no one has to take advantage of it.

[10:45]  Solomon Cortes:  This is also correct.

[10:45]  Theophan Paine is Online

[10:47]  Solomon Cortes:  However, Lexis proposed that for those who wished to make use of the service, and provide details to the SLBA in order to enable us to provide the credentialling servicve, that we be given an indemnity by the applicant, confirming thatthe information provided by them enabling us to establish their credentials is correct.

[10:47]  Solomon Cortes:  In my personal opinion I think that this is an entirely reasonable position to take.

[10:47]  Alexei Skjellerup: That's essential for the rest of us, I think...

[10:48]  Solomon Cortes:  But I would like to ask lexis to provide any further comments on the work he's done so far, and any other comments, and open the discussion to the floor.

[10:48]  Lexis Looming: And was agreed upon in the November meeting

[10:48]  Solomon Cortes:  Lexis?

[10:48]  Amber Carlberg: if a non/yet-to-be member maight venture to speak, i'd say 'credentials' in some form is worthwhile, not least because non-lawyers (e.g., individuals who mistake' this or similar for a drinking group may subscribe... indeed, clients too subscribe to groups of this nature :)

[10:48]  Amber Carlberg: might*

[10:48]  Lexis Looming: Thank you Solomon We voted last summer to do the voluntary credentialing. We discussed the application form in a meeting in November. I posted a draft in the Forums on December 14. The responses more or less continued the debate whether to do conduct the program. So there have been no suggested revisions to the draft Application Form, so far.

[10:48]  Ashcroft Burnham: Drinking group? In SL...?

[10:48]  Ashcroft Burnham ponders on the nature of virtual drinking groups.

[10:49]  Wolfman Kappler: Virtual drinking

[10:49]  Alexei Skjellerup grins

[10:49]  Amber Carlberg: ideed, ashcroft :)

[10:49]  Lexis Looming: I would like us to vote on the form or agree to a process so we do shortly

[10:49]  Juris Amat: I wonder about the referral benefits of the proposed credentialing system; will there be any?

[10:49]  Amber Carlberg: bar = drinks, for some at least :)

[10:49]  Wolfman Kappler: Can we make an animation for quarters?

[10:49]  Ashcroft Burnham: ROTFL!

[10:49]  Aeleen Tomsen: lol

[10:49]  Henri DeCuir: Folks, can we stay on topic, please?

[10:50]  Alexei Skjellerup nods

[10:50]  Ashcroft Burnham: Oooh, tough one that, Henri...

[10:50]  Juris Amat: referral benefits...wiil

[10:50]  Juris Amat: will there be any?

[10:50]  Solomon Cortes:  Thanks Henri. Did anyone have any further comments on the topic under discussion?

[10:50]  Ashcroft Burnham: What sort of credentials would be accepted?

[10:50]  Ashcroft Burnham: How would one verify, say, Ukranian lawyers?

[10:50]  Lexis Looming: The proposed form is still postedion the forum

[10:51]  Lexis Looming: posted in

[10:51]  Alexei Skjellerup: And the detailed procedure.

[10:51]  Aeleen Tomsen: provided that the national bar allows a lawyer to practice on sl

[10:51]  Solomon Cortes:  Ash, there is a fair amount of detail on the forums and in the meeting transcripts on how we propose to do this.

[10:51]  Ashcroft Burnham: Ahh, all right, I'll be quiet, then :-)

[10:51]  Juris Amat: Is there anything that refers to the benefits of doing so?

[10:52]  Lexis Looming: The November transcript has all the details of the discussion

[10:52]  Aeleen Tomsen: ty

[10:52]  Juris Amat: Will there be a list of "qualified" attorneys etc.?

[10:52]  navets Potato: there shuld be

[10:52]  Alexei Skjellerup: Only verified lawyer will benefit from the unexistent referal service...

[10:52]  Solomon Cortes:  What I'd like to do is propose that everyone review Lexis' draft form and let him have any further comments on it by 6pm SLT Sunday 16 March.

[10:53]  Alexei Skjellerup: Second

[10:53]  navets Potato: third, though I think it is fine now

[10:53]  Cat Galileo: may I suggest a process of putting in-world and if possible email notices out to alert people to comment?

[10:53]  Alexei Skjellerup: Me too...

[10:54]  Solomon Cortes:  After that, we will proceed on the basis that the form (as amended by lexis if necessary in response to any comments) will be the one used going forwards - unless it is clear from the discussion on the forums that there is a material issue that needs to be discussed further.

[10:54]  Solomon Cortes:  Is this acceptable to everyone?

[10:54]  Alexei Skjellerup: Sure

[10:54]  Lexis Looming: I move we accept Sol's proposal

[10:54]  Alexei Skjellerup: And I second your motion

[10:55]  Solomon Cortes:  Thanks - ayes, nays and abstains?

[10:55]  Lexis Looming: aye

[10:55]  Quillen McClure: aye

[10:55]  Alexei Skjellerup: Aye

[10:55]  Geri Kuhn: aye

[10:55]  Legal Republic: aye

[10:55]  Mitch Hifeng: aye

[10:55]  navets Potato: Alexei, areyou going to send emails out

[10:55]  Lincoln Beck: aye

[10:55]  navets Potato: ?

[10:55]  navets Potato: aye

[10:55]  Amber Carlberg: can't-comments? :)

[10:55]  Alexei Skjellerup: Sorry?

[10:55]  Wolfman Kappler: aye

[10:56]  Solomon Cortes:  Amber - a quick comment is fine, but I'manxious to try to keep to time and we have a number of other topics on the agenda.

[10:56]  Solomon Cortes:  Please go ahead briefly though.

[10:56]  Amber Carlberg: it'll keep, i think :) tyvm

[10:57]  Solomon Cortes:  I have less "ayes" that there are people her, but no "nays" and no "abstains" - can I take it then that the motion is carried?

[10:57]  Solomon Cortes:  *here

[10:57]  Henri DeCuir: aye. sorry.

[10:57]  Theophan Paine: aye

[10:57]  Legal Writer: aye

[10:57]  Jessica Holyoke: aye

[10:57]  Solomon Cortes:  Great - then we have a majority and the motion is carried. Thanks everyone.

[10:58]  Solomon Cortes:  Item 4 - the proposed symposium.

[10:58]  Alexei Skjellerup: ((I'm sorry but I should be leaving... Great job, Sol. Congratulations and many thanks. Bye all!))

[10:59]  Geri Kuhn: Bye Alexei

[10:59]  Lexis Looming: Bye Alexei

[10:59]  Aeleen Tomsen: bye

[10:59]  Solomon Cortes:  Jessiac, would you like to update us? I'm keen that we go ahead with this if you think it remains viable, so please let us know where things stand and how we can help. Perhaps you could begin with a brief reminder about your proposal, so that those who may not be familiar with the proposal can catch up.

[10:59]  Lincoln Beck: bye...

[10:59]  Solomon Cortes:  *Jessiac

[10:59]  Solomon Cortes:  **Jessica

[10:59]  Jessica Holyoke: i'm sorry

[10:59]  Jessica Holyoke: you'll get to it

[11:00]  Solomon Cortes:  ; ) Call me Solomno

[11:00]  Aeleen Tomsen: lol

[11:00]  Lexis Looming laughs

[11:00]  Henri DeCuir: you want us to mis-type your name?

[11:00]  Solomon Cortes:  Not always.

[11:00]  Jessica Holyoke: let me get up front

[11:00]  Lexis Looming: I cnat type either

[11:00]  Jessica Holyoke: just ignore that part

[11:01]  Lexis Looming is Online

[11:01]  Jessica Holyoke: ok, so the basic proposal is to present to an internet service company options if they are asked by a foreign government for dissident information when they don't have anything located in that foreign country

[11:02]  Jessica Holyoke: so if the Bhurmese government, to take a different example, were to ask the Lindens for information on a resident, what can be done to prevent that disclosure or, alternatively, if there are no legal consequences for non compliance

[11:03]  Jessica Holyoke: which is the suggested outcome even for Yahoo Hong Kong with Yahoo's chinese dissident case

[11:03]  Jessica Holyoke: right now, Ben had found two people, one versed on Internet law, one versed in human rights to speak at an in world symposium discussing that issue

[11:03]  Amber Carlberg: this or an analogue of it (ex IP) is currently topical in a US Federal Court

[11:04]  Jessica Holyoke: where I would like to see it go is to be able to answer that question for a corporation, what are the risks to them for compliance or non-compliance

[11:04]  Jessica Holyoke: they settled that case a few months back Amber

[11:04]  Jessica Holyoke: Xiaoning v. Yahoo

[11:04]  Amber Carlberg: will you be billing for that? LOL

[11:04]  Jessica Holyoke: unless you are thinking of another case

[11:04]  Amber Carlberg: i am :)

[11:05]  Jessica Holyoke: who are you thinking of?

[11:05]  Amber Carlberg: um

[11:05]  Cat Galileo: so do we have a proposed date, -- or what is next steps?

[11:05]  Jessica Holyoke: what I want to see is at least one more person

[11:05]  Jessica Holyoke: on the panel

[11:05]  Amber Carlberg: can't quite comment

[11:05]  navets Potato: I'd be interested i helping

[11:06]  Amber Carlberg: lindens or otherwise?

[11:06]  Cat Galileo what ARE next steps... or what IS the next step... gah

[11:06]  Jessica Holyoke: the trick is to have people who either know how the Hague convention works or how foreign corporation law works, to see if there is an analogue to a US long arm statute

[11:06]  Lexis Looming: I liked Ben's idea he posted in the foum to find a practioner with experience in the area

[11:06]  Jessica Holyoke: not necessarily a linden

[11:06]  Amber Carlberg: pro bono is all very well inworld and in many other scenarios, but/...

[11:07]  Jessica Holyoke: that's the trick, I don't know anybody and anyone I've asked isn't interested or isn't interested on coming in here

[11:07]  Amber Carlberg: linden dollars LOL

[11:07]  navets Potato: We setup foreign corps for clients all the time and the two quesitons clients always ask aout are liability adn taxes

[11:07]  Jessica Holyoke: i envisioned it as a pro bono project, because what does pro bono look like on an international platform

[11:07]  Amber Carlberg: i'm happy to respind, but would need to know the terms :)

[11:07]  Amber Carlberg: respond*

[11:08]  Cat Galileo: is this a panel that would qualify for MCLE, or a general interest panel? would it be recorded?

[11:08]  Cat Galileo: I might try to roust up someone but would need those infos

[11:08]  Jessica Holyoke: The CLE part I think we looked into

[11:08]  Jessica Holyoke: the only deadline I thought of was before the next round of law school finals

[11:08]  Jessica Holyoke: because that's what hurt us in december

[11:08]  Amber Carlberg: i'm not sure that it is necessarily or entirely professional to do this probono

[11:08]  Lexis Looming: That would be a coup to get CLE approval for in-world seminars

[11:09]  Jessica Holyoke: it would be

[11:09]  Cat Galileo: we are working on it for agenda item 5

[11:09]  Solomon Cortes:  Jessica - I thought you and Ben had come up with a dissident and one other (not sure if I know their status). I also said I would be able to invite someone from say Human Rights Watch and / or Global Witness (I know people at both). It would be really helpful if you could provide a para or two on the proposal and brief bios for the people we've asked - then I / others here could use that info to try to get one or two more speakers and to help publicise and move the event forwards. Would you be able to put something on the forums we could use?

[11:09]  Cat Galileo: so next step is to get one more speaker and to choose a date and forum?

[11:09]  Jessica Holyoke: Yes i can

[11:10]  Cat Galileo: whoops sorry for interrupting

[11:10]  Jessica Holyoke: I think a combination of solomon's suggestion and then we can move to Cat's

[11:10]  Jessica Holyoke: do we need to vote on that?

[11:11]  Solomon Cortes:  Since we already discussed at previous meetings and we aren't proposing anything new, I don't see a need for a vote. I'd like to move to the next item and wrap up quickly. However, if anyone feels a strong objection or wants a vote, please say now.

[11:12]  Legal Republic: excuse me for interjecting, but you may want to consider moving to establish a committee to establish and discuss cat's proposals?

[11:12]  Cat Galileo: do we have a specific group of people working on this oris jessica working solo?

[11:12]  Cat Galileo: what he said

[11:12]  Lexis Looming: she said lol

[11:12]  Cat Galileo: ack. sorry

[11:12]  Jessica Holyoke: its been fairly open to let people contribute where they can

[11:13]  Solomon Cortes:  Geri will talk about CLE in a minute.

[11:13]  Solomon Cortes:  So I take the question too mean whether Jessiac would appreciate assistance with the Symposium?

[11:13]  Cat Galileo: Jessica, would you be interested in a meeting in-world or via instant message with interested jpeople at a set time?

[11:13]  Solomon Cortes:  *to

[11:13]  Jessica Holyoke: I would

[11:14]  Cat Galileo: I move that we post info on such a meeting in the forums and in-world announcements, and report back asap

[11:14]  Solomon Cortes:  Jessica - perhaps you could propse a time by group notice in the forums and see when you can get as many people who are interested to make contact?

[11:14]  Cat Galileo: I'd be happy to help

[11:14]  Solomon Cortes:  Looks like this is moved and seconded?

[11:14]  navets Potato: yup

[11:14]  Jessica Holyoke: second

[11:15]  Solomon Cortes:  Thanks everyone. I know we're running slightly over and I'd like to thank you for your patience. However, I think Geri will be able to provide a brief and interesting update on the last item -a proposed SLBA 2008 conference / series of CLE seminars.

[11:16]  Solomon Cortes:  Geri - over to you.

[11:16]  Geri Kuhn: okay

[11:16]  Geri Kuhn: just real quick

[11:16]  Geri Kuhn: a group of us is working on putting together some presentations.

[11:17]  Geri Kuhn: The idea will be to seek Continuing legal education credit for attorneys in California

[11:17]  Geri Kuhn: But I believe the rules are probably similar for all jurisdictions

[11:17]  Ashcroft Burnham: CPD in SecondLife...?

[11:17]  Ashcroft Burnham is intrigued...

[11:17]  Geri Kuhn: For CA, we need to put on 4 presentations for the SLBA to become a provider

[11:17]  Geri Kuhn: We now have four topics

[11:17]  Cat Galileo: CPD? = continuing legal education (CLE?)

[11:18]  Geri Kuhn: Sorry yes,

[11:18]  Geri Kuhn: CLE

[11:18]  Ashcroft Burnham: ("Continuing Professional Development". It's a UK term)

[11:18]  Cat Galileo: ty ashcroft

[11:18]  Geri Kuhn: Ah

[11:18]  Geri Kuhn: okay

[11:18]  Ashcroft Burnham: :-)

[11:18]  Rykk Ferraris: As opposed to COPD.....

[11:18]  Geri Kuhn: the four topics will be

[11:18]  Cat Galileo wants to keep COPD out of SL

[11:18]  Geri Kuhn: Internet legal research - Cat

[11:18]  Cat Galileo: nod

[11:18]  Geri Kuhn: e-privacy /media - Solomon

[11:19]  Geri Kuhn: Trademark infringement in virtual worlds - Legal Writer

[11:19]  Geri Kuhn: and one more by Theo Paine..trying to remembe the topic

[11:19]  Geri Kuhn: Oh, intenet fraud

[11:20]  Geri Kuhn: We will work on setting these up

[11:20]  navets Potato: good tpics

[11:20]  Lexis Looming agrees with navets

[11:20]  Ashcroft Burnham: COPD?

[11:20]  Geri Kuhn: In the meantime, if people wish to take responsibility and become point persons for their own states/jurisdictions, please send me an IM

[11:20]  Geri Kuhn: I am happy to coordinate delivery of materials.

[11:20]  Solomon Cortes:  Thank you Geri. I think this is a great initiative.

[11:21]  Geri Kuhn: We still have yet to meet and discusss timing and whether we will charge and if so what we will charge.

[11:21]  Rykk Ferraris: Compulsive-Obsessive Personality Disorder

[11:21]  Solomon Cortes:  It would be great if you could co-ordinate also with Jessica, so we don't have the presentations conflict with the symposium.

[11:21]  Geri Kuhn: yes

[11:21]  Cat Galileo: Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease

[11:21]  Geri Kuhn: Okay, thank you.

[11:21]  navets Potato: Before everyone leaves I have a quick question: Has any one worked with or know any one that has worked with the new .cn dispute policy and or filed or responded to a complaint undre it?

[11:21]  Cat Galileo: was my thought LOL

[11:23]  Solomon Cortes:  geri - would you post a notice in the forums so that everyone who isterested in participating can let you know, so that we cancontinue to move this forwards before the next meeting. Do you have any thoughts yet on possible date(s)?

[11:23]  Geri Kuhn: Okay, yes will post in the forum

[11:23]  Geri Kuhn: no dates yet

[11:23]  Solomon Cortes:  *isterested = SL shorthand for "is interested"

[11:23]  Cat Galileo: roughly over the summer months?

[11:23]  Solomon Cortes:  Thank you very much indeed.

[11:23]  Cat Galileo: ish?

[11:23]  Lexis Looming: Geri, how will you handle the requirements for written materials?

[11:24]  Geri Kuhn: Well I think notecards could do the trick, but will have to give that some thought.

[11:24]  Lexis Looming: How will they be distributed to attendees

[11:24]  Geri Kuhn: Maybe just email

[11:24]  Cat Galileo: I plan to post powerpoint to slideshare, or email it to participants

[11:24]  Lexis Looming: those will be big notecards ;-)

[11:24]  Solomon Cortes:  I think that offering CLE / CPD etc accredited presentations through SL is a great initiative for us. Geri - thanks again for taking this forwards.

[11:24]  Cat Galileo: can do notecards also, and/or THinC books

[11:24]  Solomon Cortes:  So - wrapping up - any other business?

[11:24]  Lexis Looming applauds

[11:24]  Quillen McClure agrees with Solomon

[11:25]  Legal Writer: We can also post on websites.

[11:25]  Ashcroft Burnham: One thing :-)

[11:25]  Ashcroft Burnham: May I plug the Metaverse Republic?

[11:25]  Ashcroft Burnham: :-)

[11:25]  Solomon Cortes:  Sure Ash. Please go ahead.

[11:25]  Ashcroft Burnham: Thank you :-)

[11:25]  Solomon Cortes:  Quickly - yes (!!!!)

[11:25]  Dreamingen Writer is Offline

[11:25]  Amber Carlberg: yay!

[11:25]  Aeleen Tomsen: :)

[11:26]  Ashcroft Burnham: I'll be quick - the Metaverse Republic (http://www.metaverserepublic.org) is a project to create an independent legal system within SecondLife.

[11:26]  Ashcroft Burnham: We're always looking for people with a legal background to join our Constitutional Team to help to design the constitution, or people who are good at organisation or project management to join our Management Team.

[11:27]  Ashcroft Burnham: For more information, contact me, Amber Carlberg or Aeleen Tomsen (all of whom are here right now), and we can give you an FAQ.

[11:27]  Aeleen Tomsen: yes

[11:27]  Ashcroft Burnham: Or see our website: http://www.metaverserepublic.org

[11:27]  Ashcroft Burnham: The next meeting is at 9.30 AM SLT to-morrow at our headquarters.

[11:27]  Solomon Cortes:  Thanks Ash.

[11:27]  Ashcroft Burnham: Thank you for your time :-)

[11:27]  Wolfman Kappler: Question, how will the constitution be enforced?

[11:27]  Amber Carlberg: IP lawyers with a tech proficiency are also most welcome :)

[11:27]  Ashcroft Burnham: Wolfman - I'll give you the FAQ. Hold on... :-)

[11:28]  Solomon Cortes:  Wolfman - can I ask that Ash answers that after we close the meeting.

[11:28]  Solomon Cortes:  Any other SLBA business?

[11:28]  Lexis Looming: Congratulations Solomon. You expertly navigated your way through the procedural waters of your 1st meeting with more than 20 lawyers looking over your shoulder!

[11:28]  Amber Carlberg: kappler :)

[11:28]  Ashcroft Burnham: There :-)

[11:28]  Solomon Cortes:  Then....

[11:28]  Theophan Paine: I move to close the meeting.

[11:28]  Solomon Cortes:  let's have a second.

[11:28]  Cat Galileo: second!

[11:28]  Amber Carlberg: see the website, mr kappler :)

[11:28]  navets Potato: second and congrats too

[11:28]  navets Potato: Thanks y'all - see you later

[11:28]  Solomon Cortes:  Thank you everone!

[11:28]  Ashcroft Burnham has to go for dinner.

[11:28]  Cat Galileo: solomon, let's see the gavel

[11:29]  Lexis Looming: Good Job Solomon!

[11:29]  Ashcroft Burnham: Thank you for hosting, Solomon.

[11:29]  Ashcroft Burnham: See you to-morrow at the meeting :-)

[11:29]  Cat Galileo: you should be able to bang it for order

[11:29]  Amber Carlberg: so do most people, i think :)

[11:29]  Quillen McClure applauds

[11:29]  Aeleen Tomsen: thank you Solomon

[11:29]  Ashcroft Burnham is Offline

[11:29]  Jessica Holyoke: good job solomon

[11:30]  Solomon Cortes:  Thank you evryone.

[11:30]  Solomon Cortes:  OK - who's used the gavel before?

[11:30]  Jessica Holyoke: /ao on

[11:30]  Solomon Cortes:  Order

[11:30]  Solomon Cortes:  Ha ha he he

[11:30]  Cat Galileo: you can use "order", "overruled," and "sustained" in a sentence or ont heir own

[11:31]  Theophan Paine: That is some killer gavel. They use one like that in the appellate court here in NY.

[11:31]  Solomon Cortes:  That was "order". I will try the others, now.

[11:31]  Erica Dalglish: hi

[11:31]  Solomon Cortes:  overrules

[11:31]  Solomon Cortes:  overruled

[11:31]  Rykk Ferraris: Heyas Erica

[11:31]  Henri DeCuir: laugh

[11:31]  Geri Kuhn: Hi Erica

[11:31]  Cat Galileo: did you get the normal sized one too?

[11:32]  Erica Dalglish: are you working on trademarks in virtual worlds?

[11:32]  Solomon Cortes:  So cat - what would happen if I use order, overrules and sustained in one sentence, huh???!!!

[11:32]  Aeleen Tomsen: bye everyone

[11:32]  Geri Kuhn: Bye Aeleen

[11:32]  Aeleen Tomsen: hello lincoln

[11:32]  Cat Galileo: by aeleen

[11:32]  Rykk Ferraris: ciao, all, till next time!

[11:32]  Jessica Holyoke: take care everyone

[11:32]  Solomon Cortes:  That's too much fun.

[11:32]  Lexis Looming: Great meeting Solomon. See everyone later

[11:32]  Solomon Cortes:  Thank you!

[11:32]  Aeleen Tomsen: ciao a tutti :)

[11:32]  Lincoln Beck: hello Aeleen

[11:32]  Geri Kuhn laughs at Solomon

[11:32]  Solomon Cortes:  Thanks Lexis.

[11:32]  Geri Kuhn: Sounds like you got the hang of it